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Guest Saturday, October 8, 2011 at 6:04 AM

Does it take the same amount of energy to inflate a tyre to a specified pressure when it is attached to the car on the ground, as opposed to when the car is jacked up and there is no weight on the wheel?


Guest Thursday, October 13, 2011 at 6:46 AM

it will take more energy since extra work should be done against wt.


Guest Thursday, October 13, 2011 at 6:51 AM

in 2nd  to jack up the car energy will require.


Guest Friday, October 28, 2011 at 3:08 PM

it may take more energy off the car as it will take a greater volume of air to reach the same pressure


Guest Wednesday, November 9, 2011 at 3:47 PM

40 lbs of pressure....is 40 lbs of pressure....same energy....I think...lol


Guest Tuesday, March 20, 2012 at 10:50 AM

I'd say the same as it is the same amount of pressure being pumped into the tyre...


Guest Thursday, October 23, 2014 at 6:57 PM

@Curtis: this has nothing to do with energy. If you put a tyre on the ground, the air in the tire is compressed by the weight of the vehicle. This does not increase the amount of energy in the tire (at least not for a Long time: the compression creates heat, which is then dispersed in the environment). Actuall, the amount of energy in the tire evcven decreases a Little (after the heat is dispersed), because the average distance between the particles in the tire and ground gets less, which means that it has contains potential energy (because of the same reason, a vehicle which stands at an higher altitude has more energy, you can use this energy to drive it down fast without using any fuel if the altidue difference and gradient of the track is high enough).

The reason why a weak  compressor cannot pump up a tire that stands on the ground is that every compressor has a Maximum pressure, so if you want to inflate the tire to a pressure which is higher than the Maximum pressure of the compressor, it doesn't work. The pressure of the tire is less with the same amount of air in the tire, if their is no weight on the tire.

In the maayonnaise jar example you actually Need less amount of energy if you do bring the air in the baloon to the same pressure if the baloon is inside the jar: same pressure, but less volume. Actually for an ideal gas, the formula is P*V = N*k*T = (2/3)*k*E. P = pressure, V = volume, N = number of molecules, k = Boltzmann constant, T = temperature, E = (thermal) energy (E=(3/2)*N*k*T).


Guest Thursday, October 23, 2014 at 6:59 PM

PS: I forgot to mention: air at room temperature (~300K) is almost an ideal gas.


Guest Thursday, October 23, 2014 at 7:01 PM

PPS: at least if you also have a "normal" pressure. Normally tires are pumped up to less than 10 atmospheres, which is still in the Region where the behavior is almost the same as of an ideal gas (this is true up to about 100 atmospheres).


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